Kigger med her :-)
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Du skal være velkommen. ;)
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http://topdata.dk[...] jeg køber den her tror jeg, jeg synes det er et rigtig godt tilbud.
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Det mener jeg bestemt også et er, og det var også den jeg kiggede på først. Dog ligger mit budget som sagt på 5-6 k og jeg ønsker derfor opgraderingerne nævnt i #0 hvis det er. Grafikkort: GTX-560 -> TX 570 1280MB DDR5 (999 kr.) CPU-køler: Artic Cooling (199 kr.) Kabinet: Coolermaster Silencio 550 (299 kr.) (såfremt dette kabinet kan anbefales) Spørgsmålet er så om den fra KOMPLETT da lige er en tand bedre? Valget står nok mest mellem http://topdata.dk[...] med opgraderinger og den fra KOMPLETT http://www.komplett.dk[...] efter hvad jeg har læst i diverse tråde. Jeg kunne godt bruge lidt hjælp fra erfarende brugere inden for området. :)
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erfarne*
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Er der nogen der vil/kan hjælpe?
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der er også mulighed for at kigge hos http://www.mm-vision.dk[...] - de går i hvertfald op i at en computer ikke støjer for meget og gør en del for det. Med hensyn til Komplett, kender jeg en der arbejder for deres norske afdeling, han siger det ikke er muligt og få andet en Stock køler desværre, og de er ikke af den helt stille type, ville være en skam og sige. Personligt ville jeg gå efter en i5, eller i7, med dit budget ville det nok være en i5. Og ja komplett er billige helt enig :) - men personligt venter jeg på en maskine fra mm-vision og har kun hørt godt om dem, men jeg ligger også i et helt andet budget end dig, da jeg eks. ikke vil gå på kompromi med hensyn til ikke at få en SSD. http://www.mm-vision.dk[...] i5 koster lige omkring 5900,- desværre er det kun geforce 560 :(
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#7 Mange tak for dit svar. Hvor meget støj taler vi om ved maskinen fra KOMPLETT? Jeg forventer ikke en computer der er helt støjfri. Dog skal den heller ikke lyde som et jagerfly. Jeg har også kun læst positive ting om MM-vision, og den du linker til ser også lovende ud, men jeg tror jeg foretrækker et GTX570 eller tilsvarende/bedre og en opgradering til GTX570 ser ud til at koste 999 kr. ekstra. Hvordan vurderer du den fra TOPDATA med førnævnte opgraderinger så?
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Jeg er svær og spørge lige om topdata, intet ondt om dem men jeg er Intel mand og AMD har desværre aldrig været min force har ejet 2 AMD maskiner og fortrudt begge køb hehe. Men med hensyn til Komplett og larm, kan jo ikke vide mig 100% sikkert på. Dog som sagt bruger de standart køler og hos mm-vision kan du vælge en køler opgradering til er det 229,- mener jeg. Men kan se de ikke gør så meget ved deres laver end computere for støj som deres highend altså den de kalder XForce som er den jeg har bestilt, der smider de måtter i kabinettet for at nedsætte resonans.
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Læg ikke for meget i det men lidt hurtigere er i5-2500 skal dog ikke kunne på stå du kan mærke det i spil, da jeg ikke selv har sidet med en AMD i mange år. http://www.cpubenchmark.net[...]
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Jeg hælder også mest til i5 2500k tror jeg. Den fra TOPDATA med førnævnte opgraderinger er vist også med ekstra støjsvag CPU-køler (Artic Cooling) og kabinettet skulle også være med ”måtter” og ekstra støjsvagt. Jeg har hørt noget om, at TOPDATA er rimelig fleksible med evt. individuelle ændringer, så man kunne måske få AMD CPU’en skiftet ud med i5 2500k (jeg ved så ikke om det kommer til at koste endnu mere)?
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det skal du nok regne med det gør da i5 er dyre end den amd cpu som er i den computer du henviser til, der ud over skal der også nyt bundkort til :)
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http://www.komplett.dk[...] + * ASUS P8P67 motherboard, as the default LX is shitty. * Corsair TX650 V2 * 1 extra fan for CM 430 for the top of the case as it comes with only 1 fan: http://www.komplett.dk[...] or ** Fractal R3 case. # 10 You link to passmark to compare processors ... your advice skills are not good ;)
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e-gamer - if you look ad what i typed, i said dont put to mutch in to this ;)
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@e-gamer Is it correctly understood that I myself am required to install an extra fan, if I choose to follow your advice? If so that will probably not be an option. I will keep it in mind though and maybe choose the "Fractal R3 case". And why do I need an extra fan anyways? What are your assessment of the computer from TOPDATA with aforementioned upgrades? ;)
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# 0 topdata? - Phenoms are worse than Intel`s Sandy Bridge for gaming, so for now i5-2500K / i7-2600K (Sandy Bridge E are way overpriced) is the only option for a gamer. CM 430 Elite includes only 1 fan, frontal. To have a decent airflow you should remove it from front and install on the back of the case and then would be nice to have also 1 more fan on the top of the case. But if it`s not a problem - buy R3, it comes with 2 fans, back and front. If you want silence - leave it as it is, if you want better airflow - then move front fan for the top of the case. R3 is nice because all fan holes are covered with noise blocking material so no noise coming from those holes.
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@ e-gamer Thanks – you have already been a great help. O.K. So it will be possible to remove the fan and place it elsewhere or install an extra without breaking the warranty? If this is not the case, I will probably go with the Fractal R3 casing, if I choose to follow your advice (the computer from KOMPLETT). In relation to TOPDATA I was referring to the aforementioned system http://topdata.dk[...] (the first suggestion in #0) with the following upgrades: GPU: GTX-560 -> TX 570 1280MB DDR5 (999 DKK) CPU-køler: Artic Cooling (199 DKK) Casing: Coolermaster Silencio 550 (299 DKK) (any experience with this cabinet?) Overall: 5996 DKK With this solution it seems that you will get an improved CPU cooler and a noiseless/silent cabinet (as far as I can see), but apparently you are then forced to compromise with the CPU (AMD and not i5 2500k) – unless it is possible to negotiate with TOPDATA and get the i5 2500k at (hopefully) slightly increased price. Can you recommend the TOPDATA-computer or will the KOMPLETT-system (with the upgrades you mentioned) be the better choice? And is it possible to upgrade to a second GTX570 in future with the motherboards in the two systems?
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Silencio 550 is a poor ventilated case (= silent) so if you think about OC or CF/SLI - then forget about it as temperatures will be so awful that you have to open side panel to chill down components. I was testing similar config with my case (i`ve installed noise / heat blocking material on the top hole) and the temperatures rised, idle was 47 (downcooling after load). I got now 39-40 at idle and that`s fine for me (my cpu cooler is very silent = 600 rpm fans, thats why temperatures aren`t great ... but they are fine, they won`t hurt cpu). Silent PC = silent PSU, GFX, case fans, SSD, cpu cooler fans. Silent case is not enough. But Fractal R3 might be also silent thanks to noise blocking material on every fan hole and it`s more customizable. I use front + back + top fans @ 600rpm and it`s enough and the PC is very silent, so if you can ... buy R3. First you can try it with those 2 included fans or buy some low rpm fan. Reinstalling fans won`t "break" warranty, usually cases are ... fail - free. ASUS has a nice software for it`s motherboards - ASUS Fan Xpert = you can configure fan speed in range of 40 - 100% of it`s speed. Topdata`s cpu cooler is shitty ... it isn`t worth to pay extra for it. I would ask the seller if it`s possible to install some other cpu cooler, f.e. you buy the cooler by yourself and install it. Warranty is valid for each component ... so it shouldn`t be a problem. I think you should buy @ komplett, in some games there`s a big difference between Phenoms and Sandy Bridge - Sandy Bridge is much better, so it will last longer. If you think about SLI then you might consider: "Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, Socket-1155 ATX, Z68, DDR3, 2xPCIe(2.0)x16, CFX&SLI, SATA 6Gb/s,FW,USB 3.0,Dolby,HDMI, mSATA" ASUS`s P8P67 second PCI-E, when 2 cards enabled, operated @ x 4 mode. It`s not that bad, but there aren`t many reviews to show if it might be a bottleneck or not. I hate CF/SLI and i won`t recommend it to you. It`s more problematic than one card solution, generates a lot of noise and heat, need a lot of power (then PSU is under high load = heat + noise). And with 60Hz monitor (60fps limit with v-sync) you probably won`t use it`s potential. I prefer to change gfx when new comes on the market, and of course when it`s necessary.
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Hvis du kan strække den en smule får du rigtig meget ydelse i denne her og så en rigtig god strømforsyning der er 80+ silver. http://www.mm-vision.dk[...]
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Kvalitet koster, men skaber også oftest størst glæde. Det kan godt være dyrt at købe billigt.

O.K. It appears that KOMPLETT changed the standard configurations of the 6k Gamer. Now you will only get an i5 2400 CPU instead of i5 2500k? I guess I have to pay the extra price of 124 DKK then. So you recommend as follows: “KOMPLETT Gamer 6k” http://www.komplett.dk[...] Upgrades: i5 2500k CPU ASUS P8P67 motherboard Corsair TX650 V2 power supply Total: 6361 DDK And then another fan or the “Fractal R3” casing? “KOMPLETT gamer 6k” seemingly has a 3-year guarantee. Are you sure that the warranty will not be lost if you “open” the computer? About noise: It does not have to be completely noiseless as long as it does not sound like a jet engine starting (figuratively speaking – you get my point). I get your point about two graphic-cards SLI, and I think I will just upgrade from the GTX 570 if I need better performance in future. As I made clear in #0 all games must be running on “ultra/max” graphic settings, including games like BF3, MW3 and Crysis 2. I am sure the KOMPLETT computer will handle that assignment just fine, but for how long do you presume that it will be able to run games at least “high” settings? I might buy a 120Hz-monitor, or at least a 1920x1080p 60Hz, but I am not entirely sure yet.
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@ Jimer Den er desværre for dyr, idet der i mit tilfælde også skal købes skærm og tilbehør – men tak for forslaget. ;) Kan du finde en god løsning til ca. 5000-6000 kr. eller anbefale den fra KOMPLETT med e-games’ opgraderinger?
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Extra fan cost +- 100dkk: http://www.komplett.dk[...] R3 +400dkk. However i don`t know about CM 430, as on the top there are 2 fan holes, it would be kinda weird if they aren`t protected from dust, but it`s a kinda budget case ... so probably not :( But probably when 1 fan is working it also stops the dust coming to other hole (air pushing). But if you can manage to cover that hole then 430 + 1 x top fan will be also fine. To be honest i don`t know their policy about warranty but ... opening case and losing warranty was like ... 10 ages ago. I hope there`s some evolution now ;) because you have warranty for each component. That would be also crazy if something happens ... that you have to send whole PC. You`ll probably have to send just a component. Komplett 6k + those upgrades is a great gamer PC for this price, you won`t find any better, but it`s fine as a one gfx config. With SLI TXS650 V2 will be under heavy load, almost 100% load, so i wouldn`t recommend to use TX650 V2 for SLI config. My strategy for PC`s is to buy the best one gpu graphic card when the old (which was also the best one gpu graphic card when i was buying it) can`t handle the task. My first card (8800GTX OC2 )was OK for 2 years, HD 5870 for over a year - but wouldn`t be so bad now, GTX 580 is still good, so +- 1,5 - 2,5 years. GTX 570 ... is also very efficient card, so you should be fine with it +- 1-2 more years. But the cpu is very good, you got ability to OC, so changing graphic card after some time to play newest games doesn`t sound so bad, does it? ;) For your budget ... it`s a really nice PC. Gainwards card isn`t the most silent on the market, the same with PSU ... but for this price - fine PC with a solid pillars.
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