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Vurdering af Gamer pc om den er ok?Af Bruger Aspirant Franck | 26-02-2012 11:46 | 1719 visninger | 35 svar, hop til senesteHej
Står og skal bruge en ny stationær til gaming. Den skal kunne trække Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Civilization 5 og spil af den klasse i god opløsning. Har en 24 tommer samsung skærm, tastatur, mus og højtalere. Så det er kun pc. jeg skal bruge.
Den skal være forholdsvis lydløs, have kølning nok så der ikke bliver varmeproblemer og bare være en stabil computer. Det behøver ikke være det vildeste af det vildeste skal bare være en pålidelig gamer.
Har set på dette setup fra komplett.dk, passer det til hvad jeg beder om eller er der nogle ting jeg skal være opmærksom på? Pris max. 7.400 kroner.. helst under. Dette setup ligger i de prisklasse.
Varenr.:645321
Stødsikker PC-æske
QPAD FH Komplett L.E.
Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl
Corsair CX V2 500W PSU
Intel® Core i5-2400 Processor
MSI H61MU-E35 B3, Socket-1155
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 4GB CL9
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5
Western Digital Caviar® Black 1TB
Corsair SSD Force Series 3, 60GB 2.5"
Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
MS COA Label Windows Home Premium 7
MS DVD Win H.P/Pro/Ultimate 7 DK 64bit
MS ROYALTY Win Home Premium 7 Nordic
Garanti - Send ind.
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Er der forslag til fravalg af noget og vælge noget andet i stedet er jeg meget åben for forslag? er mere ram bedre også lidt mindre grafik kort f.eks.?
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#1 Jeg vil mene at du skal have et kraftigere GFX i den maskine, samt en anden CPU.. og måske op på 8gb ram
Maskinen er ikke dårlig, men til 7000? Jeg ville ikke gøre det. Er du frisk på at samle selv? :)
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Se specs. i profil,
Linux FTW
http://www.youtube.com[...] Graphic card is the most important component for gaming, then cpu and then ... RAM, which actually doesn`t matter - 4GB RAM is fine.
For 6800dkk (+ Windows) you can build much better PC for gaming, however you lost a lot of money for SSD + HDD. My tip - if 60GB is enough, buy SSD only ... and after some time - HDD, because now it`s too expensive = it`s better to buy more powerful graphic card instead of those 2 components - SSD + HDD.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz Kan desværre ikke samle selv, så skal være noget der er samlet. Kan jeg få noget bedre da til den pris? Som sagt at den ikke larmer og ikke bliver for varm betyder mere for mig end det er det mest kraftige grafik kort. Bare det kan køre de spil jeg nævner i en ordenligt kvalitet. Ikke nødvendigvis alt på high.
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So drop the SSD and buy a better graphic card instead? Is rest of the things okay? and what graphic card would you suggest if it is not a very noisy one i would prefere? 7.400 is my max including windows.
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Because 60 GB is not enough, so prefere the larger Harddisk then and choosed that one because it seems to be of higher speed than other 7.200 rpm harddesks?
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There you go:
http://www.komplett.dk[...]
+ changes:
*Cooler Master Elite 430 Midi Tower Black
*Corsair TX V2 650W PSU
*Intel® Core i5-2500K Processor
*Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, Socket-1155
*Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 4GB
*MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX
*Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB
Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Writer, AD-5280S
*MS DVD Win H.P/Pro/Ultimate 7 DK 64bit
7.525,80 DKK
+ extra fan for case as CM 430 comes with only 1 x 120 mm fan ... so buy extra:
http://www.komplett.dk[...]
- and install it on top of the case.
The fan that comes with CM430 (front) re-install to the back of the case.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz There`s also:
http://www.game-station.dk[...]
+ changes:
CPU Valg
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.33GHz 6MB Unlocked - Mulighed for at overclocke din cpu
Køler Valg
Standard Intel Box Køler
Bundkort Valg
Asrock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 2xSATA6 2xUSB3 1xeSATA3 SLI/CFX 7.1CH Lydkort, Gigabit Netkort
Ram Valg
2x2GB (4GB) Kingston 1600Mhz HyperX DDR3
Grafikkort Valg
MSI GeForce GTX560 Ti 1024MB TWIN FROZR II OC
Harddisk Valg 1
Western Digital / Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 16MB SATA3
Strømforsynings Valg
OCZ ZS Series 750w 80+ Bronze Certificeret Kvalitets PSU, NVIDIA SLI™-ready
Kabinet Valg
Antec One Hundred Gamer Case, 1x140mm, 1x120mm Fans. Gennemført høj kvalitets kabinet
Operativt System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Dansk ( Installeret )
7.423,00 DKK
But they are very simiar, but game-station`s "fragt" = 0dkk, so i think it`s the one for you = cheaper and performs exactly the same.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz The first one looks nice, but would the harddrive not be the slow part of the system or is the one in my built the 1TB one not that much faster? But will have a look on that suggestion. Is the graphic card better than the ATI 6870 Card because i actually like tha ATI cards. Thinks there is less trouble with them with f.example. driver errors?
Thanks for the help
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. http://www.sharkgaming.dk[...] den er lige så god som den fra komplett, bare meget billigere. :)
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. har du planer om at have en ekstern hardisk ved siden af ? for en 60g ssd er jo kun nok plads til ét stort spil.
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# 10 = sharkgaming spammer :D
And that PC = shitty components (GX serie PSU, C45 - was making higih-pitched sound, i5-2500 - not the K version).
# 9
You`ll notice no difference between Blue and Black, Black is also more noisier. And when you gonna buy SSD - as a primary partition (C:) - then HDD won`t matter at all (as a storage disk). There`s also SSD caching option:
http://www.guru3d.com[...]
- which you will be prepared (Z68 mobo) for.
From my experience - Nvidia = less drivers problems and less micro-stuttering. I`ve had a lot of problems with HD 5870, no problems with GTX 580.
560Ti is just slightly better than HD 6870:
http://www.techpowerup.com[...]
- that`s why it`s only 400dkk more expensive (for today - a card with one of the best price/performance ratio) and for "faertig" PC for 6,5 - the only option.
So ... i recommend you to buy the one from game-station = cheaper + the same performance. And i don`t know how much cost the "fragt" from komplett.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz Vælg billigere kabinet
Billigere cpu (i3-2100 ell fx-4100)
Drop dvd writer, det er et uddødt medie efterhånden
Windows kan du få billigere på nettet og installere på usb stick
For det sparede vælger du så et 7950 grafikkort i stedet.
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# 12 Og for andre er det omvendt nvidia=flere driver problemer og mere micro stuttering. Sandheden ligger nok midt imellem at hverken amd eller nvidia har specielle problemer med nogen af delene i forhold til hinanden, men der er en del fejl 40 omkring.
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# 14
Is it ... you ... again? AMD card owner?
I`ve said what i`ve experienced:
- huge micro-stuttering in SimBin`s games (it was impossible to play them)
- general v-sync problems - without a program called D3DOverrider playing games was kinda useless
- Nvidia drivers allow to configure each game separately, AMD drivers - 1 settings for all programs
- my HD 5870 was using 3D speed when operating @ Windows = higher idle temperatures
With my present GTX 580 all those problems were gone.
And if you read about micro-stuttering:
http://www.tomshardware.dk[...]
- then you`ll notice that AMD cards are worse.
So ... again ... stop guessing, creating reality ... because you`re just a guy who think he knows something.
And OEM Windows (bought separately) isn`t 100% legal, you can read about it here:
http://www.zdnet.com[...]
http://www.zdnet.com[...]
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz #15 Tag dig sammen.
1-Ja tillykke du har haft driver problemer? Men har du overvejet at din indstilling osse har en del at sige?
Hvis du i dit hoved har gjort det klart for dig selv at Nvidia altid vil være bedre, Så vil du osse opfatte det sådan.
2-Du dømmmer et helt firma udfra EN enkelt oplevelse? seriøst man!
3-Tror du ikke at et firma som AMD, Ikke fixer deres fejl? Tror du de kan lide at du har fejl med drivers?
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# 16
"Fejl drivers"? - i think i`ve tried about 10-15 different drivers.
So should i assume that AMD cards are very good now ... after experiencing so many problems with it?
I gave ATI/AMD a chance ... but they f****d it up.
It`s not that i`m a fanboy ... because i give a damn if it`s AMD or Nvidia ... i just recommend what`s less problematic due to my experience.
# 14 writes: "Og for andre er det omvendt nvidia=flere driver problemer og mere micro stuttering." - which means nothing and is probably not true.
And that`s more like a fanboy`ism.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz AMD stinker længere er den ikke . Selv efter 4 måneder er driverne til 7950/7970 så dårlige at mit 580 klasker dem i de fleste spil
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2600K @ 5.4 GHz / 2x eVGA GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2 @ 1065 MHz / Resten i profil #17 Kan ikke give dig et svar, Og det er da osse utrolig frustrerende at prøve så mange forskellige drivers og intet hjælper.
Men jeg syntes stadig ikke du kan dømme et firma, udfra en enkelt oplevelse, specialet med et så gammelt kort som 5870.
Det kunne jo osse være et defekt kort?
Har selv oplevet noget lignende, grundet en defekt hdmi port på et 5770.
Så fungerede mine drivers til kortet SLET ikke.
#18 Din fanboy smut nu ud og troll en masse andre tråde.
Forresten kan du ikke tælle? Der slet ikke gået 4måneder? 7970 blev lanceret den 9 januar?
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# 19
Indeed, but it`s kinda hard ... if i had so many problems with it ... it`s really hard to forget it.
And i think that`s how it works everyday = you buy something, it doesn`t work as you expect it to work ... you usually never buy it again and search for other (substitute) products.
The shi**y thing is that when it goes about graphic cards ... there`s a duopoly.
"specialet med et så gammelt kort som 5870" - it wasn`t old when i bought it, actually i bought it few weeks after it showed on the market (been using it for about 9 months). I`ve stopped using it like 10 months ago.
It`s not that i always recommend Nvidia ... however i`m not so pro- AMD, besides:
1. GTX 560Ti is cheaper than HD 6950
2. GTX 560Ti 448 cores is cheaper than HD 6970
with similar perfromance.
3. GTX 580 has the same price as HD 7950 ... so here`s the only problem as HD 7950 gets few fps more than GTX 580 in "more demanding" games.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz Thanks for all the help think i will have a closer look on the one from Game station. How are they with guarantee etc.? Never used them before, are they known for making quality products?
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. #20 Jamen hvis du har brugt det i så lang tid?
Så kan det jo heller ikke være helt skod?
Ja gtx 560ti er billigere end 6950, Men 6950 2gb kan jo flashes, Så yder det jo ens med 6970 :)
Derfor vil jeg altid fortrække det :D
Jeg er enig med at Gtx 560ti 448 er klart det bedre valg mod 6970, Specialt med komplett's tilbud for tiden.
Jeg kan dog ikke se nogen grund til at investere i et gtx580 vs 7950. Da 7950 jo er nyere :D
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# 21
http://www.trustpilot.dk[...]
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz #7+8
Er der nogen speciel grund til, at du spilder penge på en 650W PSU?
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Handel med Komplett holder ikke danskere fra arbejdsløshedskøen. #13
Det var dog de mest latterlige råd jeg nogensinde har læst. De slår sgu' næsten rådene om at købe Energon/Inter-Tech.
i3 er ikke gaming grade og bliver ikke gaming grade. i3 bruger man til kontormaskiner. Her skal anvendes i5-2500K.
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Handel med Komplett holder ikke danskere fra arbejdsløshedskøen. # 25 Det var da den mest latterligt uvidende kommentar jeg nogensinde har læst på et hardware forum.
En i3-2100 trækker fint nutidens spil uden problemer. Flaskehalsen i en gaming er grafikkortet period. At spare på grafikkortet for at købe en hurtig cpu er fail i en gamingmaskine.
Den i3 maskine med 7950 vil langt langt langt bedre være i stand til at trække spillene fremfor en i5-2500k med et langsomt grafikkort (6870)
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http://www.komplett.dk[...]
Opgrader Processor til i5-2500k
Tilføj Corsair SSD Force Series 3, 60GB 2.5" SATA 6 Gb/s og lav den ssd der er valgt om til en Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB
Alt i alt: 7614Kr Og der har du en ssd og en hdd. :) et findt system men hvis du vil ofre 8k så opgrader til et gtx 570.
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Tak for alle rådende, det kabinat der foreslåes til den fra game station, antec one. Ville det ikke være bedre at bruge det kabinet jeg selv foreslår i nummer 1, som er mere lydløs og med støvfiltre? Tror jeg er ved, at have fundet det setup jeg vil have.
Tak for hjælpen
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. From the advice I got I made this setup for 7.600 kroner and that is okay. Would you say thats a nice setup? Is the OCZ ZS 650w 80+ Bronze Certificeret Kvalitets PSU, Ultra low noice good enough to run this setup?
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.33GHz 6MB Unlocked - Mulighed for at overclocke din cpuKøler
Noctua NH-C12P Kvalitets køler - 120mm Fan, ULTRA Silen ...
Asrock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 2xSATA6 2xUSB3 1xeSATA3 SLI/CFX
7.1CH Lydkort, Gigabit Netkort
2x4GB (8GB) G.Skill RipjawsX 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3
GTX560 Ti 1024MB TWIN FROZR II OC
1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATA3
Samsung Optical DVD-RW 22x Brænder
OCZ ZS 650w 80+ Bronze Certificeret Kvalitets PSU, Ultra low noice
Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl USB 3.0
TRENDnet TEW-643PI Wireless N 300Mbit PCI Adapter
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. ZS 650W will be fine for one graphic card setup.
PC is OK, quality components = good basis for future upgrade (SSD, new graphic card, OC, SLI + new PSU).
However you could have more fps in games:
http://topdata.dk[...]
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*Fractal R3 Black
*Cougar 700W PSU
*wireless net (really? - it`s the worst solution for multiplayer games)
= 7700dkk
So ... depends what you want - future upgrade or more fps?
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz Thanks for all your help. I think I will choose that setup then from Game-Station. I am not that interested in computers from Topdata as I have had a bad experience with them with a computer.
Think the 560 graphic card will do nicely for my purpose :)
And can always be upgraded in a year or two if needed.
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. Just noticed this graphic card for 500 extra but does it also require a more expensive, better power supply?
MSI Radeon PCI-E HD6950 2GB TWIN FROZR III OC + pris
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Gæstebruger, opret dit eget <a href="/profil/opret">login</a> og få din egen signatur. +500dkk for HD 6950 instead of GTX 560Ti? - it`s not worth it.
ZS 650W is middle range PSU, but will do the job for one graphic card without problems.
Other PSUs are overpriced @ game-station - if you would like to change for them.
ZS 550W cost about 500dkk, so +399dkk for HX650 that`s really not worth it.
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P183 V3 @ 400rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, C300 128GB, 4GB 1600/7, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SS-1000XP 1kW, 2 x BenQ 120Hz thanks for your answer. I have decided now I will take the model from game station with the above configuration. Thanks for advice about not worth giving that much extra for the ATI card :P
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